On 07 Dec 2013, at 17:58, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> What about comp-immortality?
That's what I'd like to know, what the hell is "comp-immortality"?
How does it differ from regular run of the mill immortality? Your
homemade words acronyms and phrases are getting out of hand.
You can easily conceive many of them.
1) the most prosaical. You get an artficial brain, and you succeed in
convincing your descendent to get place for running you in some
virtual place (bits and qubits are so expensive those days).
2) the first person understanding: I survive wherever a universal
machine run me, and there are infinitely many running me
simultaneously in arithmetic: so the real question is how could I even
hope this can end? The question get astronomically difficult, but
there are bit patterns of information from computer science.
> have you an argument which makes you sure that your consciousness
is not related to your computations in arithmetic?
No.
So you are open that consciousness differentiating "fluxes" can be
determined by arithmetical truth, letting open the question if the
machine dreams (the computations emulated in arithmetic) cohere enough
to limit on "unique" multiverse or universe.
> I know you stop at the step 3, but I still don't see why, except
your confusion between 1p and 3p.
For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that,
but John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on
the face of the earth who is confused by the difference between the
first person and the third person.
Then you know that from the first person view of the average guy which
has undergone an iterated WM-duplication has abandon the task of
finding an algorithm predicting his next first person outcome. Its
diary contains 001100100011101111001, and well, he can't predict the
next one.
> You did not comment the last explanations I gave to you
I've commented on hundreds of your "explanations", I don't know what
specifically you're referring to. Did you say something new you
hadn't said before? If so I missed it.
I missed, and I think every one missed your point. We are waiting you
patiently for finishing the step 3. And proceed. Most people get the
point, and indeed it is a simple obvious point, with the definition
given for first and third person.
Bruno
John K Clark
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