On 18 Dec 2013, at 20:05, Jason Resch wrote:

For someone who demands to be quoted in full, you sure cherry-picked pieces from Bruno's e-mail. How telling it is that you "erased" the following questions:


Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would please us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect.
John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)

Bruno: If this is trivial, go to step 4. If not, explain the problem, and, please, without insult, ad hominem remark, and in a way so that we understand our error.
John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)


This will go on forever without resolution if you refuse to answer these questions, but maybe going on forever without resolution is your goal.


I appreciate your lucidity.

I still like to comment on John Clark's posts, because he tries, at least, to make a point, unlike the opponents I am used to have (and just attribute to me statements I never have defended, under the back).
From that view, John is infinitely more respectable.

Of course it would be nice we could progress a little bit. I guess most people have no problem with the steps 1-7, and wait for precisions for step 8, which is more interesting, more subtle (but probably not that important to get the overall picture, note).

Bruno








Jason


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> You are the one not taking into account the 1p and 3p distinction,

For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on the face of the earth who is confused by the difference between the first person and the third person.

> It is clear that you don't take the first person experiences into account,

"The" not "a" ?? For the third time please say how many first person experiences exist on planet Earth right now and if there are more than one which one is Bruno Marchal referring to?

> The first person indeterminacies are defined in term of what is written in the diaries.

How do they do that? All the diaries are full of the same personal pronouns and they all say the same thing, I don't know what I will see next.

> you only seem to confuse the 1p views with some 3-view on possible 1-p views.

For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on the face of the earth who is confused by the difference between the first person and the third person.

> Things get more interesting in step 4 and after.

If step 4 is built on a foundation of gibberish then it can't be very interesting.

  John K Clark




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