On 20 Dec 2013, at 19:34, meekerdb wrote:

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On 12/20/2013 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:The non-cloning theorem should be obvious, given that any piece ofobservable "matter" needs the entire UD* to get describe exactly,given that the appearance of matter is only the result of the FPIon all computations (an infinite object).That seems to prove to much.

I agree.

Although QM says you can't clone an unknown state, you can exactlyreproduce a state; and elementary particles are elementary becausethey are indistinguishable. Your reasoning above seems to implythat every bit of matter will be unique, an infinite set of relations.

`Yes, a priori the comp non-cloning is too much big. In fact it is a`

`version of the white rabbit problem, but then we know that self-`

`reference will put some constraints on this. So comp is not (yet?)`

`refuted. AUDA is too young to decide this, but we can formulate the`

`problem (the cloning the nesting of the boxes and diamond is very`

`huge, and some optimization of the modal logic provability have to be`

`done).`

Bruno

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