Hi Brent,

  I know the difference. I am asking why? What if there is a UD related
process underlying the symmetry?


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 12/20/2013 11:18 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
>  Hi Brent,
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>  On 12/20/2013 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>>  The non-cloning theorem should be obvious, given that any piece of
>> observable "matter" needs the entire UD* to get describe exactly, given
>> that the appearance of matter is only the result of the FPI on all
>> computations (an infinite object).
>>
>>
>>  That seems to prove to much. Although QM says you can't clone an
>> unknown state, you can exactly reproduce a state; and elementary particles
>> are elementary because they are indistinguishable.  Your reasoning above
>> seems to imply that every bit of matter will be unique, an infinite set of
>> relations.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
>    I don't think so! Bruno's argument would still work for
> indistinguishable particles one we figure out that particles are NEVER
> isolated entities. Their properties follow only from their possible
> interaction values.  Have you noticed that in GR there are no particles,
> only events? We can observe an electron here and an electron there and we
> cannot distinguish between them, they are fungible, and yet they are not
> "in the same place".
>
>
> It's more than we just can't distinguish them.  Bose-Einstein statistics
> gives different thermodynamics than Mawell-Boltzman.
>
> Brent
>
>
>    Maybe the exchange symmetry is hidding under what Bruno is
> considering, re the non-cloning theorem.
>
>
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