Hi Brent, I know the difference. I am asking why? What if there is a UD related process underlying the symmetry?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 12/20/2013 11:18 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Hi Brent, > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:34 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 12/20/2013 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> The non-cloning theorem should be obvious, given that any piece of >> observable "matter" needs the entire UD* to get describe exactly, given >> that the appearance of matter is only the result of the FPI on all >> computations (an infinite object). >> >> >> That seems to prove to much. Although QM says you can't clone an >> unknown state, you can exactly reproduce a state; and elementary particles >> are elementary because they are indistinguishable. Your reasoning above >> seems to imply that every bit of matter will be unique, an infinite set of >> relations. >> >> Brent >> > > I don't think so! Bruno's argument would still work for > indistinguishable particles one we figure out that particles are NEVER > isolated entities. Their properties follow only from their possible > interaction values. Have you noticed that in GR there are no particles, > only events? We can observe an electron here and an electron there and we > cannot distinguish between them, they are fungible, and yet they are not > "in the same place". > > > It's more than we just can't distinguish them. Bose-Einstein statistics > gives different thermodynamics than Mawell-Boltzman. > > Brent > > > Maybe the exchange symmetry is hidding under what Bruno is > considering, re the non-cloning theorem. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/1NWmK1IeadI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.