On 19 Dec 2013, at 21:02, Richard Ruquist wrote:
I do not believe in #1 due to the no cloning theorem.
We don't assume QM.
If comp produces QM it must also produce the no cloning theorem.
The non-cloning theorem should be obvious, given that any piece of
observable "matter" needs the entire UD* to get describe exactly,
given that the appearance of matter is only the result of the FPI on
all computations (an infinite object). You have to keep in mind that
the first person cannot be aware of the (incredibly huge) delays
(number of steps) introduced by the dovetailing.
Do you see this? The FPI domain is the infinite union of all the
finite parts of the UD* (UD* = the running of the UD).
Bruno
Richard
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would
please us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect.
John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)
I have not read step 4, however if it is built on the foundation of
the first 3 steps
What is the error in step 3?
(and I can't think why it would be called "step 4" if it were not)
then I can conclude that one thing wrong with step 4 (I don't claim
it is the only thing) is the previous 3 steps.
I think if you read the whole set of steps (or even just the next
few steps) you would see where things are going and wouldn't have so
much trouble understanding the point of the third step.
I will summarize them for you here:
1: Teleportation is survivable
2: Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delay
is imperceptible to the person teleported
3. Duplication (teleportation to two locations: one intended and one
unintended) is survivable, and following duplication there is a 50%
chance of finding oneself at the intended destination
4. Duplication with delay changes nothing. If duplicate to the
intended destination, and then a year later duplicated to the
unintended destination, subjectively there is still a 50% chance of
finding oneself at the intended destination
5. Teleportation without destroying the original is equivalent to
the duplication with delay. If someone creates a copy of you
somewhere, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself in that
alternate location.
6. If a virtual copy of you is instantiated in a computer somewhere,
then as in step 5, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself
trapped in that computer simulation.
7. A computer with enough time and memory, that iteratively executes
all programs in parallel will "kidnap" everyone, since all observers
everywhere (in all universes) will eventually find themselves to be
in this computer
8. There is no need to build the computer in step 7, since the
executions of all programs exist within the relations between large
numbers. Hence, arithmetical realism is a candidate TOE.
This is the "grand conclusion" you have been missing for all these
years. I don't think this was obvious to Og the caveman.
Jason
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