On 19 Dec 2013, at 21:02, Richard Ruquist wrote:

I do not believe in #1 due to the no cloning theorem.

We don't assume QM.

If comp produces QM it must also produce the no cloning theorem.

`The non-cloning theorem should be obvious, given that any piece of`

`observable "matter" needs the entire UD* to get describe exactly,`

`given that the appearance of matter is only the result of the FPI on`

`all computations (an infinite object). You have to keep in mind that`

`the first person cannot be aware of the (incredibly huge) delays`

`(number of steps) introduced by the dovetailing.`

`Do you see this? The FPI domain is the infinite union of all the`

`finite parts of the UD* (UD* = the running of the UD).`

Bruno

RichardOn Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>wrote:On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>wrote:On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>wrote:> Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you wouldplease us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect.John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)I have not read step 4, however if it is built on the foundation ofthe first 3 stepsWhat is the error in step 3?(and I can't think why it would be called "step 4" if it were not)then I can conclude that one thing wrong with step 4 (I don't claimit is the only thing) is the previous 3 steps.I think if you read the whole set of steps (or even just the nextfew steps) you would see where things are going and wouldn't have somuch trouble understanding the point of the third step.I will summarize them for you here: 1: Teleportation is survivable2: Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delayis imperceptible to the person teleported3. Duplication (teleportation to two locations: one intended and oneunintended) is survivable, and following duplication there is a 50%chance of finding oneself at the intended destination4. Duplication with delay changes nothing. If duplicate to theintended destination, and then a year later duplicated to theunintended destination, subjectively there is still a 50% chance offinding oneself at the intended destination5. Teleportation without destroying the original is equivalent tothe duplication with delay. If someone creates a copy of yousomewhere, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself in thatalternate location.6. If a virtual copy of you is instantiated in a computer somewhere,then as in step 5, there is a 50% chance you will find yourselftrapped in that computer simulation.7. A computer with enough time and memory, that iteratively executesall programs in parallel will "kidnap" everyone, since all observerseverywhere (in all universes) will eventually find themselves to bein this computer8. There is no need to build the computer in step 7, since theexecutions of all programs exist within the relations between largenumbers. Hence, arithmetical realism is a candidate TOE.This is the "grand conclusion" you have been missing for all theseyears. I don't think this was obvious to Og the caveman.Jason --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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