On 12/20/2013 1:30 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
No no. If the mind is classical then Nature would not bother making many different
version of "the same software", no? I worry that we are treating the mind and
consciousness as a "thing", as if we could hold it in our hands, when we try to make
sense of it.
THis may be a mistake...
Not as big a mistake as anthropomorphizing nature. You referred to "minds", not
consciousness. I'm not sure what it means to refer to immaterial things as "classical" or
"quantum".
Brent
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 12/20/2013 1:10 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi John,
Questions
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM, John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> The non-cloning theorem disallows 3)-5) at the level of the
quantum
state. It's not so clear though how that is related to
consciousness and
identity.
I disagree, I think it is very clear. If things need to be that
precise, if a
change in a quantum state destroys our identity then we die about 10^44
times a
second; and a consciousness that never changes is not a consciousness.
Do you see consciousness as a thing or as a process?
> Our brain is *mostly* classical.
The real question is about our minds, and despite what some like Roger
Penrose
say I think our minds are probably entirely classical.
Why? If minds are classical then they are easy to copy, in principle. Why
then are
there not lots of John Clarks running around?
?? Didn't you notice the tension between "easy" and "in principle"? It's
possible,
in principle, to copy a Boeing 777, because it's a classical object. But
if it were
easy Boeing would be out of business.
Brent
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