Hi LizR, This is fun! :-) We must remember that we are defining People as intersections of infinitely many computations. Right? Their perceptions of themselves as physical being having some particular set of configuration, for example bilateral symmetry, etc. is not really relevant to UDA. So, if there is a change in accessibility to data, facts, etc. Where is that "change" coming from".
This is my problem: We are presented with an argument that works in Platonia and we have no explanation as to the relation it has with the "real world" where things change and degrade and evolve, etc. What is measuring that change? On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 December 2013 17:46, Stephen Paul King > <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote: > >> Ah, but they do degrade. Consider your ability to access a '80s floppy >> drive's data. >> >> Well, that's because people haven't worked out how to do it perfectly. I > agree digital archaeology is a real problem, but so would analogue be > without the relevant machines to play it back (admittedly it's easier to > decode analogue from first principles). But that is a different form of > degrading. If you have a system capable of copying the data it should be > more or less 100% accurate. > >> >> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 28 December 2013 17:41, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>> stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi LizR and Jason, >>>>> >>>>> Responding to both of you. I don't understand the claim of >>>>> determinism is "random noise" is necessary for the computations. Turing >>>>> machines require exact pre-specifiability. Adding noise oracles is >>>>> cheating! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think you misunderstand. Computers are deterministic, but they often >>>> need randomness to implement things such as cryptography or monte-carlo >>>> simulations, etc. Due to this need for true unpredictability, our >>>> computers must harness environmental noise if they are to have any hope of >>>> being unpredictable. This is because computers cannot generate >>>> unpredictability on their own. >>>> >>>> They are engineered not to! 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