On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Stephen Paul King < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi LizR, > > This is fun! :-) We must remember that we are defining People as > intersections of infinitely many computations. Right? Their perceptions of > themselves as physical being having some particular set of configuration, > for example bilateral symmetry, etc. is not really relevant to UDA. So, if > there is a change in accessibility to data, facts, etc. Where is that > "change" coming from". > > This is my problem: We are presented with an argument that works in > Platonia and we have no explanation as to the relation it has with the > "real world" where things change and degrade and evolve, etc. What is > measuring that change? > If the argument is correct there is no other reality but Platonia. The "real world" is a product of the computations in platonia. Jason > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 28 December 2013 17:46, Stephen Paul King >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Ah, but they do degrade. Consider your ability to access a '80s floppy >>> drive's data. >>> >>> Well, that's because people haven't worked out how to do it perfectly. I >> agree digital archaeology is a real problem, but so would analogue be >> without the relevant machines to play it back (admittedly it's easier to >> decode analogue from first principles). But that is a different form of >> degrading. If you have a system capable of copying the data it should be >> more or less 100% accurate. >> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 28 December 2013 17:41, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi LizR and Jason, >>>>>> >>>>>> Responding to both of you. I don't understand the claim of >>>>>> determinism is "random noise" is necessary for the computations. Turing >>>>>> machines require exact pre-specifiability. Adding noise oracles is >>>>>> cheating! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I think you misunderstand. Computers are deterministic, but they >>>>> often need randomness to implement things such as cryptography or >>>>> monte-carlo simulations, etc. Due to this need for true unpredictability, >>>>> our computers must harness environmental noise if they are to have any >>>>> hope >>>>> of being unpredictable. This is because computers cannot generate >>>>> unpredictability on their own. >>>>> >>>>> They are engineered not to! 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