Dear Bruno,
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 28 Dec 2013, at 07:34, LizR wrote: > > On 28 December 2013 19:31, Stephen Paul King > <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote: > >> Computed how? By what? >> > > I know the answer to this one! To quote Brent -- "He proposes to dispense > with any physical computation and have the UD exist via arithmetical > realism as an abstract, immaterial computation." > > > Assuming comp, there is not much choice in the matter. That is the point. > I will agree. > > Above the substitution level: interaction between universal machines, > including one apparently sustained from below the substitution level by the > statistical interference between infinities of universal machines getting > your actual states. > But the "actual states" are not just some random string from my point of view! The very fact that we can (somewhat) communicate is an important fact. There is a selection mechanism: interaction. > > I don't know how to avoid those infinities without reifying some > God-of-the-gap or Matter-of-the-gap notion to singularize a computation for > consciousness, but if that is needed for consciousness, then comp is false. > Umm, that is a false choice! The FPI is good enough to "do the job" without resorting to a 'god/matter in the gap" solution. The singularization of consciousness is easy, as you have shown. It is the concurrent interaction problem that is not easy. I cannot exactly predict your actions and thus can only "bet" on your future states, but I can constrain your possible choices of action with my physical behaviors even if the physical world is an illusion. The fact that it is a common and persistent illusion makes it a ground of commonality from which we can distinguish ourselves 3-p wise from each other. > True, you still survive with a digital brain, but no more through comp, it > is true from comp + some explicit magic to make disappear the other > realities. You get an irrefutable form of cosmic solipsism. > There is no magic here, there is the SAT problem. Boolean algebras do not automatically pop out with global consistency over their arguments/propositions. One has to actually physically "run" a physical world to know what it will do. Claiming that it exists in Platonia is not a solution. > > Bruno > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/sqWzozazMg0/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
