On 1/4/2014 8:47 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com<mailto:yann...@gmail.com>> wrote:## Advertising

> According to Wheeler's empirical quantum model, (where the properties of a particle vanish in between observationsYes that's Wheeler's theory, it's the stereotypical non-realistic interpretation ofQuantum Mechanics, unlike MWI which is realistic. Bell didn't use Quantum Mechanics orphysics of any sort and yet starting from nothing but logic and high school algebra hewas able to prove that IF his inequality was violated THEN no correct theory can be BOTHrealistic AND local.

`His inequality also depended on discounting retro-causation and hyper-determinism, which`

`Bell considered but rejected as unbelievable. Now both have been seriously proposed: the`

`former by Cramer and Stenger, the latter by t'Hooft.`

Brent

Several years after he found the mathematical derivation experiment showed that Bell'sinequality was indeed violated. So a Wheeler theorists is free to invoke locality ornon-locality as he wishes; but because MWI is a realistic theory a MWI theorist is in amuch tighter box, if things are local then there is no appeal, MWI is dead dead dead.> MWI experiments require that some observers ask different questions and thereby obtain multiple spacetimes.If MWI is correct and a experimenter wishes to know what thread of the Multiverse he'sin then of course questions must be asked and answered; but if Wheeler is correct thenthose very questions change reality itself. To my mind Wheeler's idea is even crazierthan MWI, but that doesn't prove it wrong.John K Clark --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "EverythingList" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toeverything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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