Stephen, Your error here is assuming the computations take place in a single "wide" physical dimensional space. They don't. They take place in a purely computational space prior to the existence of physical dimensional spacetime. Physical dimensional spacetime is a product of the computations. They don't exist within it. Therefore there is no spacetime separation between computations. They exist in a purely logical space prior to dimensionalization which they compute.
Edgar On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:06:33 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Edgar, > > You wrote: "there is not a single universal processor, there is a > single processor CYCLE. All information states are effectively their own > processors, so the computational universe consists of myriads of > processors, as many as there are information states (more or less). But all > these myriads of processors all cycle their computations together in the > same present moment, i.e. in the SAME computational space." > > As someone deeply involved in studying distributed computation from the > inside and the outside, I have to tell you, there is no difference between > "a single computer" and "a myriad of processors that all cycle their > computations together". That is a difference that does *not* make a > difference. Unless you take concurrency into account (and it does not seem > that you do) there is no distiction between a single processor running "the > universe as a computation" or a huge number of processors running > in parallel as you describe. > > The problem is that if the distribution of physical processors is wide > enough in space and the processors have different associated velocities in > their motions, there is no such a thing as a single frame > of simultaneity for them all to be said to be "cycling together in the same > present moment". Nope. > > Add to that simultaneity problem the problem of resource allocation and > one has a real mess! (Forget about the intractability issues...) There > seems to be a lot of bad thinking when it comes to what exactly is a > computation. Let me try a definition of "computation": > > Any transformation of information. > > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Stephen, >> >> There is NO such requirement. See my response to Liz.. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:45:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>> >>> Dear LizR, >>> >>> Exactly. That requirement of a single computer is deeply troublesome >>> for me. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM, LizR <[email protected] <javascript:>>wrote: >>> >>>> On 10 January 2014 14:01, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stephen, >>>>> >>>>> There is no "single observer that can take in all events...". I never >>>>> said that and don't believe it. >>>>> >>>>> However there has to be a single universal processor cycling for a >>>>> computational universe to work. That single universal processor cycle is >>>>> the present moment P-time. All computations occur simultaneously as these >>>>> cycles occur. All individual observers, clock times etc. occur and are >>>>> computed within this actual extant presence of the computational space of >>>>> reality. >>>>> >>>>> There has to be a *single processor* computing *the state of the >>>> universe*?! >>>> >>>> I know that's possible in principle, what with the C-T thesis and all >>>> that, but it's a bit of a limitation to put on your ideas. 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