Bruno,

No contradiction. As I clearly stated, but which apparently didn't 
register, the computations take place in Present Moment P-time which is 
NON-dimensional. The computations compute Clock time which IS dimensional.

Edgar

On Friday, January 10, 2014 5:00:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 10 Jan 2014, at 04:13, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
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> Stephen,
>
> Your error here is assuming the computations take place in a single "wide" 
> physical dimensional space. They don't. They take place in a purely 
> computational space prior to the existence of physical dimensional 
> spacetime. Physical dimensional spacetime is a product of the computations. 
> They don't exist within it. Therefore there is no spacetime separation 
> between computations. They exist in a purely logical space prior to 
> dimensionalization which they compute.
>
>
> Does this not contradict your statement that the present moment is prior 
> to the computations, as I think you just said?
>
> bruno
>
>
>
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:06:33 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> Dear Edgar,
>
>   You wrote: "there is not a single universal processor, there is a 
> single processor CYCLE. All information states are effectively their own 
> processors, so the computational universe consists of myriads of 
> processors, as many as there are information states (more or less). But all 
> these myriads of processors all cycle their computations together in the 
> same present moment, i.e. in the SAME computational space."
>
>   As someone deeply involved in studying distributed computation from the 
> inside and the outside, I have to tell you, there is no difference between 
> "a single computer" and "a myriad of processors that all cycle their 
> computations together". That is a difference that does *not* make a 
> difference. Unless you take concurrency into account (and it does not seem 
> that you do) there is no distiction between a single processor running "the 
> universe as a computation" or a huge number of processors running 
> in parallel as you describe.
>
>   The problem is that if the distribution of physical processors is wide 
> enough in space and the processors have different associated velocities in 
> their motions, there is no such a thing as a single frame 
> of simultaneity for them all to be said to be "cycling together in the same 
> present moment". Nope.
>
>    Add to that simultaneity problem the problem of resource allocation and 
> one has a real mess! (Forget about the intractability issues...) There 
> seems to be a lot of bad thinking when it comes to what exactly is a 
> computation. Let me try a definition of "computation":
>
> Any transformation of information.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
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> Stephen,
>
> There is NO such requirement. See my response to Liz..
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:45:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> Dear LizR,
>
>   Exactly. That requirement of a single computer is deeply troublesome for 
> me.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM, LizR <liz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 10 January 2014 14:01, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
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> Stephen,
>
> There is no "single observer that can take in all events...". I never said 
> that and don't believe it.
>
> However there has to be a single universal processor cycling for a 
> computational universe to work. That single universal processor cycle is 
> the present moment P-time. All computations occur simultaneously as these 
> cycles occur. All individual observers, clock times etc. occur and are 
> computed within this actual extant presence of the computational space of 
> reality.
>
> There has to be a *single processor* computing *the state of the universe*
> ?!
>
> I know that's possible in principle, what with the C-T thesis and all 
> that, but it's a bit of a limitation to put on your ideas. (Or maybe it has 
> 10^80 cores? :-) 
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