2014/1/13 Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net>

> Liz,
>
> How many times do I have to say it before it's clear? Everything in my
> model consists of pure abstract computational information running in the
> real actuality and presence (the logical space) of reality.
>
> There is NO actual physicality whatsoever. As I've said repeatedly,
> physicality, the material world, is how biological organisms interpret the
> information world in their mental models, or simulations, of reality.
>
> To understand the theory this must be clearly understood.
>

So to understand the theory, I have to understand the theory... At least,
that's clear.

Quentin

>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:35:47 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>
>> On 10 January 2014 17:19, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 1/9/2014 7:07 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>>
>>> No Liz, I told you what it IS. It's the happening in computational space
>>> that enables computations to take place since something has to move for
>>> computations to occur. All it DOES is provide the processor cycle for
>>> computations.
>>>
>>>  You seem to be nit picking...
>>>
>>>  Edgar
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:56:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No you spent them telling me what it *does*. I'd like to know what it
>>>> *is.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 January 2014 15:54, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Common Liz, I just spent the last number of posts telling you and
>>>>> Stephen what it is... Don't make me repeat myself...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't know why there is this concern about Edgar's computations.  It's
>>> seems very much like Bruno's, except Bruno's Universal computer is running
>>> all possible programs (by dovetailing). The time that appears on clocks is
>>> a computed ordering relation which is conjugate to the conserved quantity
>>> called "energy".
>>>
>>> Bruno's dovetailer is supposedly running (if that's the word) in an
>> abstract space, while Edgar's processor units are, as far as one can tell,
>> intended to be in some sense physical. It's clear what Bruno's ontology is
>> based on, he makes it explicit in his axioms. It isn't clear what Edgar's
>> ontology is based on - he seems to be assuming that time and some form of
>> computation are fundamental properties of the universe, but not what those
>> computers are running on (by Turing equivalence, I assume they COULD be
>> running on a desktop PC in some other universe) or what his "universal
>> present moment" consists of - is it a linear dimensio, say? But then it
>> appears to be quantised, since it only supports discrete computational
>> steps. Can time be quantised? What are the implications? Do things like the
>> Landauer limit come into his theory?
>>
>> The concern is, I suspect, due to...
>>
>> a) a lack of rigour, either logical or mathematical, in describing the
>> theory
>> b) a lack of testable results, or indications of how one gets from the
>> theory to the observed reality
>> c) a bad attitude
>>
>>
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