On 14 January 2014 13:10, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

> Terren,
> No, it's not that simple as I thought I had explained. You have to
> consider not just what is happening in the simulated being's 'mind' or
> simulation but the whole context of the simulation. I'll try again. Even if
> a simulated world is entirely convincing in the short term it still MUST
> exist in the actual reality, and if it is not in accordance with the actual
> logic of that actual reality it will quickly or eventually fail. The real
> being must exist somewhere else and be receiving nutrients etc. in a real
> actual reality with which it is in logical synch with.
> Thus you can't have just any old arbitrary fake simulation running or the
> simulated being will quickly die in the real actual reality in which it
> MUST have an actual existence. So there will always be a way to tell if the
> reality you live in is simulated or not. If you actually exist then at
> least the basics must be in accord with actual reality.
> Of course, as you suggest, there are many non-essential ways a simulation
> can be wrong and the subject still function, but no essential ones. No
> matter how simulated an internal reality is it still must exist in a real
> actual reality and this will always eventually give a false simulation away
> when it is tested against actual reality by the test of whether it is
> consistent with the continued existence and functioning of the subject.
> So if nobody ever dies, that proves we're living in the real world, rather
than a simulation.

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