Of course not. Characters in video games are not real. They know nothing,
and have zero consciousness.
Do you think Santa Claus is real and knows things and is conscious? I can't
believe you'd even ask such a dumb question....
On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:33:35 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
> On 1/14/2014 9:32 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Again, you are making the mistake of thinking consciousness is some
> single state that things either have or don't have. There is actually a
> continuous non-linear spectrum from a thermostat through a mars rover
> through all biological organisms to a human and possibly beyond. Each of
> these has an awareness (I call it Xperience) defined strictly in terms of
> its actual structure and how that works. All Xperience is simply alteration
> of the forms of something in computational interaction with other forms, so
> properly speaking every event in the universe is an Xperience so in that
> sense everything is the universe has some form of what could be called
> Where you want to define 'actual consciousness' on this spectrum is
> pretty much an arbitrary definition. However it is defined, consciousness
> is simply the same old generic Xperience which is fundamental to
> computational reality. Normally consciousness is defined to denote some
> level of self-descriptive Xperience, in the sense that there are internal
> computational forms that tell an organism what it is Xperiencing and what
> its state is and how it is changing.
> So a character in a video game could know things and could even be self
> conscious - contrary to your previous dismissal.
> So the answer to your questions is pretty much a matter of how
> consciousness is defined. In all cases it's not any soul or ghost in the
> machine added to a machine, biological or otherwise, but the operational
> consequences of the structure of that machine, and its nature is strictly
> determined by the operation of those actual structures.
> On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:09:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>> On 1/13/2014 6:47 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>> > Brent,
>> > For God's sakes, the "characters in a video game'" don't know anything.
>> They are
>> > completely fictional characters. You seem to have lost all touch with
>> reality in your
>> > zeal to find something to criticize. I can't believe we are actually
>> having this
>> > discussion... Do you also believe ghosts, trolls and fairies "know
>> Do you believe computations can realize beings that know things (it's a
>> consequence of
>> your theory if I'm not mistaken). What does it take to "know things"?
>> You never answered
>> my question as to what it would take to make a conscious robot. You
>> evaded it by saying
>> "conscious" wasn't well defined. And I agree that there are levels and
>> kinds of
>> consciousness. But choose one or two - what would it take to make a
>> robot that had that
>> kind of consciousness. What would it take for a robot "know things"?
>> Does the Mars Rover
>> know things? anything?
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