On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:29, Terren Suydam wrote:
condescending dismissal in 3... 2... 1...
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
Liz,
See my response to Brent on consciousness of an hour ago. It answers
this question...
Actually to answer your question properly you have to define
'person', what you mean by an 'AI' and what you mean by a
'simulation'. In the details of those definitions will be your
answer... It's arbitrary and ill formed as asked....
Yeah, unlike waffle about "it's really real because it's real in the
real actual world, really, because I say so" (insert eye-rolling
emoticon here)
OK, let's say we simulate you in a virtual world. Or, to get a
particular scenario, let's assume some aliens with advanced
technology turned up last night and scanned your body, and created a
computer model of it. We won't worry about subtleties like
substitution levels and whether "you" are actually duplicated in the
process. It's enough for the present discussion that the simulated
Edgar feels it's you, believes it's you, thinks its you, and appears
to have a body like yours which it can move around, just as you do,
in a world just like the one you're living in (they have also
modelled the Earth and its surroundings. Using nanotechnology they
can do all this inside a relatively small space). The simulated
Edgar will think just like you, assuming your thoughts are, in fact,
the product of computation in your brain, and it has your memories,
because the aliens were able to model the part of your brain that
stores them.
So, sim-Edgar wakes up the next morning and believes himself to be
earth-Edgar.
Would he know, or discover at some point, that he's a simulation in
a virtual world, and if so, how?
And the answer is "yes, he would know that, but not immediately".
So it would not change the indeterminacy, as he will not immediately
see that he is in a simulation, but, unless you intervene repeatedly
on the simulation, or unless you manipulate directly his mind, he can
see that he is in a simulation by comparing the comp physics ("in his
head") and the physics in the simulation.
The simulation is locally finite, and the comp-physics is necessarily
infinite (it emerges from the 1p indeterminacy on the whole UD*), so,
soon or later, he will bet that he is in a simulation (or that comp is
wrong).
OK?
Bruno
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