PS: On second thought maybe we don't agree completely. Though free will is 
quantum random based (we agree on that), it doesn't mean that it is 

If human actions and the actions of other biological organisms weren't 
basically rational they couldn't function or survive in the real actual 
world they live in....

Their actions aren't irrational, they just aren't completely determined by 
their environments.

The trick is to understand how quantum based indeterminacy can be amplified 
to rationality....


On Friday, January 17, 2014 7:01:26 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:10:23PM +1300, LizR wrote: 
> > On 18 January 2014 11:34, meekerdb < <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > >  It doesn't mean anything.  There are microtubles in all cells.  So 
> why 
> > > don't I think with my penis...oh...never mind.  :-) 
> > > 
> > 
> > Teehee. You're not the messiah, you're a very naught boy! 
> > 
> > I thought Tegmark showed that the Penrose theory is unlikely (by some 
> > ridiculously large factor) because the brain isn't supercooled and 
> isolated 
> > from influences that may cause decoherence within about 10^-25 
> seconds... 
> > 
> Exactly. Quantum superposition within microtubules seems an unlikely 
> source of computational power within the brain. Quantum randomness is 
> more likely to occur due to thermal fluctuations across the synaptic 
> gap, and I quite agree with Edgar that it is an essential part of the 
> only sensible conception of free will (the ability to act irrationality). 
> Not that Edgar is the first to say it, nor would I claim that title 
> for myself :). 
> Cheers 
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