On 10 Jun 2014, at 04:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/9/2014 5:55 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 June 2014 10:13, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/9/2014 2:46 PM, LizR wrote:
I guess I could venture that it's the ontology of any TOE in which
interactions are all 3p.
OK, thanks. So I would guess that it's equivalent to
eliminativism, as I think it's called - the idea that
consciousness is an illusion ("albeit a persistent one"). It does
seem that way to me.
I don't think it implies eliminativism. There's still temperature
even though we have statistical mechanics. I think there's far too
much importance given to "what's fundamental" and it leads to
calling everything else and illusion. I doubt that Bruno thinks
arithmetic is an illusion just because what's fundamental is 0, S,
+, and *. A correction to this kind of obsession with essence is
why I like my virtuous circle of explanation.
So how can all interactions be 3p? Maybe I misunderstood. It seems
to me that consciousness implies there's 1p stuff going on?
I might be possible to know exactly what conscious thoughts are
occurring by monitoring 3p accessible information (this is implicit
in the idea that the brain is a classical information processor and
its action instantiates consciousness), in which case it could be
explained in 3p terms;
Copying luckily at the right level does not mean "explain", notably
consciousness.
but that doesn't mean the 1p stuff would suddenly cease to be any
more that stat mech means that temperature ceases to exist.
Nor would planets, stars, bosons, and galaxies disappears when seen
more simply as infinities of machine's attempts to solve Diophantine
equations.
That would be a reductionist error.
Bruno
Brent
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