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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias
Now I see why I am unable to answer you. Thanks for explaining!
So, in principle, you are against any claims of factual accuracy from any
person or religion, and therefore prejudiced against all scriptures?
I apologize for interjecting…
however questioning a faith’s claims to factual accuracy in support of its
central tenets and dogma does not amount to prejudice. How is this prejudice?
A faith can be held for deeply felt reasons, but can faith present its central
dogmas in a manner that is falsifiable
Science accepts the need for experiment & falsification; why shouldn’t religion?
Chris
Given that I am convinced about the Quran being the truth from God, and you
convinced that nobody can have anything from God, I don't see if there is a
point in continuing this debate. Thanks for indulging me and letting me express
my point of view. I pray that God blesses all those who earnestly seek with
assured faith. Amen.
Samiya
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote:
What is your definition of factual accuracy? Kindly explain with some examples.
You posted on this list bringing up "factual accuracy" regarding the Quran, if
I remember correctly. This is why I posed the question in a variety of ways.
But if I were to answer this in a strong technical sense of some domain, I
might be making the same mistake, blasphemy or "crookedness" that I sense in
the quoted/translated passages we discuss.
Perhaps it is part of things that we cannot prove to each other and perhaps
this means that faith in this point, requires that we wrestle with, question,
doubt this kind of phenomenon or problem, of which there seem to be many, and
never, in our present kind of form at least, become comfortable with it.
Following this kind of line, perhaps nobody can answer this for anybody else,
or not even for ourselves. Some people say "we are the answer"; but this is a
bit too easy for me, although I can relate to the thought.
Sometimes this gives me vertigo or makes me feel empty, and at other times I
feel like the emptiness is just more space to fill with joy, fascination,
wonder, and negation of pain, that we can share; if we stay polite, honest,
maintain peace, stay alert, learn to reason with more distance, and
appropriacy, tame our bestiality to minimize harming creation, and lust for
control etc.
This means distancing ourselves enough from our own strict theology and
learning from our inner self and creation more directly, which is difficult,
but the only way I can parse, that would stop us from calling ourselves names,
fighting, waging war to hide our insecurity. Our personal theology gives us
security but takes away what little control we may have. Our insecurity and our
fears however, is something we share across all religions. Maybe we should
question them more directly, rather than reciting our "best verses", every time
we can't find a good answer.
You'll find many answers in many texts and some contributions on this list.
Whether they satisfy/convince you, or whether they can do so in principle or
not, is a different question.
It is in any case a good constant question to wrestle with, learn from, and
read about for the theological search beyond and underneath the strong/loud
interpretation of strict confessional religion, cultural programs, and
authoritative misuse of science, religion, and history. It points also to the
question of the relation between theology/science, and the question of possible
abuse (e.g. prohibition).
So you see, I can't really answer your question, but you said you could... ;-)
PGC
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