On 22 Jul 2014, at 09:08, Kim Jones wrote:
On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that
allows you to say "I know"?
I'm just guessing but maybe the Neocortex because it's the biggest
anatomical difference between a cat's brain and mine. But I do know
one thing for certain, whatever part it is if it evolved then it
effects behavior; and if it effects behavior then the Turing Test
works for consciousness and not just intelligence.
John K Clark
Are you saying that there is no consciousness without intelligence?
I believe (up to here at least) consciousness can exist minus
intelligence.
Keeping the distinction intelligence/competence. I agree with you, as
I agree consciousness can exist without any relative well adapted
competence, yet keeping its full turing universal competence.
Also, many things going on in the brain affect behaviour without
necessarily having any impact on consciousness at all.
I don't think the ability to say "I know (or believe) I am awake"
has anything to do with intelligence.
It might have a relation with stupidity, or more generally [] f.
But it does require consciousness (even if asleep and dreaming that
you said that.)
What I am driving at is that it is vaguely impossible to understand
anything 1p in a 3p manner.
Yes. The crazy thing is that very fact can be understood in a 3p
manner, even without assuming comp, here, but assuming the classical
theory of belief and knowledge, and then using Gödel Löb (3p theorem)
and then results by Boolos, Goldblatt, Kusnetsov & Muravitski which
gives the math of []p & p. It describes as I said a knower, related to
the machine, and unnameable by the machines, and she can know that.
The two Boolos' book, 1979 and 1993) contains a chapter on the []p & p
intensional variant, and its intensional logic S4Grz.
Bruno
Kim
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