Brent: I am not so sure about the langauge part. animals communicate in more ways than we can 'understand' in humanese, we don't always even understand what peoples communicate in humanese... (even in our own mother tongues). Then there is math (I heard about it when I was young). Now I am not so sure if it is a specific HUMAN (logic) feature, some animals may count and we have no acces to the mathematics of the global orientation the bird-fish-turtle-whale-etc. wanderings apply. Maybe it is much simpler than ours, but safe. Maybe cute Li'l Dolphin does not have to learn calculus, but finds home. Then there are insects. Bunches of them, with specific communication in various topics, laws, behavioral rules, self sacrifice and (final?) chores. Some fellow Earthling partners use material language, specific for the type - call some of them pheromones. Please, do not leave out the plants either!
And - all that is only at consideration of this small and negligible mud-bullet within the company of that unremarkable small star (Sun?) in the spiral halo of a galaxy "us" being a 'latecomer rookie' with good potential to ruin our planet. John Mikes On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:48 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): >> 1. I know >> 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that >> you knew.) >> Are there any others? >> > > Well, do you know that you know that you know? Even if the answer is yes > after just a few more iteration the answer will certainly be no because you > won't be able to follow even what the question means. And as a practical > matter at least 99% of the time you don't know that you know, you just > know. Most of the time it would be counterproductive anyway, if you were > fully aware of how you know that you know how to walk and chew gum at the > same time you'd fall flat on your face. > > John K Clark > > > > OK. So what separates us then, from dolphins and elephants who > apparently also 'know that they know'? You aren't allowed to respond > "Intelligence" because intelligence is what makes introspection possible in > the first place. Without self-awareness there is no self to inspect. You > can can question many things about the content of your consciousness. A cat > can't. There needs to be a 'knower', a 'self' or a 'subject'. Who or what > is that? What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that > allows you to say "I know"? > > > The language part. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
