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Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/19/2014 10:11 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1. I know
2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you
knew.)
Are there any others?
Well, do you know that you know that you know? Even if the answer is yes
after just a few more iteration the answer will certainly be no because you
won't be able to follow even what the question means. And as a practical
matter at least 99% of the time you don't know that you know, you just know.
Most of the time it would be counterproductive anyway, if you were fully
aware of how you know that you know how to walk and chew gum at the same
time you'd fall flat on your face.
John K Clark
OK. So what separates us then, from dolphins and elephants who apparently
also 'know that they know'? You aren't allowed to respond "Intelligence"
because intelligence is what makes introspection possible in the first
place. Without self-awareness there is no self to inspect. You can can
question many things about the content of your consciousness. A cat can't.
There needs to be a 'knower', a 'self' or a 'subject'. Who or what is that?
What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows you
to say "I know"?
The language part.
Brent
Let us not overlook those nifty opposable thumbs that made us superior tool
makers.
You can say, "Gimme a ride." but you can't say "I know." with your thumb.
:-)
Sure. but by the same token you can say "hunt", but that does not provide
you with a Clovis point <grin>
Chris
Brent
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