On 7/22/2014 12:08 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am, John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> What part of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows
you to say
"I know"?
I'm just guessing but maybe the Neocortex because it's the biggest anatomical
difference between a cat's brain and mine. But I do know one thing for certain,
whatever part it is if it evolved then it effects behavior; and if it effects behavior
then the Turing Test works for consciousness and not just intelligence.
John K Clark
Are you saying that there is no consciousness without intelligence? I believe (up to
here at least) consciousness can exist minus intelligence.
Also, many things going on in the brain affect behaviour without necessarily having any
impact on consciousness at all.
I don't think the ability to say "I know (or believe) I am awake" has anything to do
with intelligence. But it does require consciousness (even if asleep and dreaming that
you said that.)
What I am driving at is that it is vaguely impossible to understand anything 1p in a 3p
manner.
I think that is based on an unexamined idea of "understand". Suppose I could monitor your
brain with a super-fMRI and after long experimentation and mapping I could 'see' every
thought, including distinguishing which were conscious and which weren't. And suppose
using this information I could create a functional model of your brain so that given the
various inputs and environmental effects, I could predict exactly what you would think, at
least a few minutes in advance. And further, using this knowledge, I could use
electrostimulation to cause you to have specific thoughts. And having attained this level
of knowledge of many human brains, I can now make brains to order having various
characteristics: musical ability, empathy, humor,...
Now you will say I have not understood anything 1p (in fact my model predicts you will),
but I would reply, "OK, what else is there to understand?"
Brent
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