On 20 Jul 2014, at 06:48, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1. I know
2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with
remembering that you knew.)
Are there any others?
Well, do you know that you know that you know? Even if the answer
is yes after just a few more iteration the answer will certainly
be no because you won't be able to follow even what the question
means. And as a practical matter at least 99% of the time you
don't know that you know, you just know. Most of the time it would
be counterproductive anyway, if you were fully aware of how you
know that you know how to walk and chew gum at the same time you'd
fall flat on your face.
John K Clark
OK. So what separates us then, from dolphins and elephants who
apparently also 'know that they know'? You aren't allowed to
respond "Intelligence" because intelligence is what makes
introspection possible in the first place. Without self-awareness
there is no self to inspect. You can can question many things about
the content of your consciousness. A cat can't. There needs to be a
'knower', a 'self' or a 'subject'. Who or what is that? What part
of your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows you to
say "I know"?
The language part.
The language part can only say "I believe". That might be handled by
the left brain. The right brain of the cat might handle the more
delicate connection with truth, which is not representational, at
least in the classical theory of knowledge when applied to machine.
A correct machine will never say "I know", except in intimate
relationships, as a colloquial way to express itself.
Bruno
Brent
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