On 28 Jul 2014, at 12:25, Kim Jones wrote:
On 28 Jul 2014, at 8:14 pm, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 July 2014 22:07, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
So do we recognise this thing called a "self" or a "subject" or a
"person" or a "soul" or an "I" or a whatever as something that is
TOTALLY independent of the hosting apparatus?
Why should I put up with the ridiculous notion that my brain
secretes my mind which somehow projects my "person"? I don't
believe that for one nanosecond. I am only here to enjoy the ride.
If it turns out that physical reality is where the buck stops then
I am horribly bored by reality. What could possibly be more boring
than a bunch of atoms smugly believing that they are "real" and
that everything that is, must be made from them? What if I don't
want to be made from atoms?
I applaud the sentiment, if not the logic. It does seem awfully
boring to just be a pile of molecules.
Thank you, Liz. One thing I am not is logical. I don't expect to
make sense to everyone. I cannot get over the feeling that the whole
of observable reality is some kind of "con job". Perhaps I need to
see a shrink. I admire greatly David Nyman sliding down Occam's
razor and landing unscathed. He is a very valiant fellow. Actually,
comp is terrifying.
Comp is a bit terrifying with respect to death, especially for those
who believed in mortality and in "rest in peace", which is no more
clear, so it makes death more unknown, and we fear the unknown.
Comp is also more terrifying with respect to the bad news from the
news, as somehow, each suffering on this planet is ours, or a promise
that it is ours.
Those who flee to the safe havens of physical reality are the lucky
ones. They have the ability to see refuge where there is none. There
is no physical reality - there is only the interaction of persons.
Persons are the only real things.
Don't forget that with comp, even the persons are emerging from the
numbers. Of course that makes them more "solid", as the number truth
are very solid themselves. But the persons, even the universal person,
is a derived notion (from inside the arithmetical truth/reality).
Which is why comp teaches me enormous respect for persons. The
humility and the modesty thing of comp is what bends my mind in its
favour.
I agree. I like that too.
There is an eleventh Commandment:
"don't repeat the 10 Commandments and trust "me" for the private
advertising".
But I think I am not supposed to say this. It is in our own G*, and I
sin by overconfidence in self-correctness.
(Better not to do that before smoking salvia).
If persons are the only reality then we are all stuck with each
other, eh?
We are the same person, but to recognize ourself needs work. Perhaps
the difficulty is proportional to the size of the brain (as it might
be a filter of consciousness).
The differentiation helps for that unique person to enrich its
experience and to get a super-meta-stereo view on different parts of
the (inside) reality, also.
I don't know if any of this is true, but I think it follows from
taking seriously the idea that the human body obeys computable laws as
far as its experience relative support is concerned.
Bruno
Kim
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