On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Why don't you just call it One with a capital O > > > > Because I use "One" for Plotinus first Hypostase. I use God, for the > general notion, used by most philosophers and comparative theologians. > > > God / Allah (The Deity) are terms used for a being worthy of worship > (loving obedience). > > > That might be true for those who meet God, and strictly speaking it go > without saying. But it might lead to catastrophes when said by anyone, > because you can't really name God so as to be clear about what to obey to. > Cerfeul, as the trick is ,for some tyrant, to make believe he is the > intermediate. That happens very often. > > > > > Does the One/God of Comp mean as such? > > > I suspect so, but with that important proviso, above. > > > > > From what I've gathered from your explanations, it simply points to an > origin, not the Creator of the origin(s). Is that correct? > > > > I would say that it points on the permanent immutable perfection, say, at > the origin and end of all origins and ends. It is out of time and space, > and explains the reason of the perception of origin, time, space, etc > > I think "God" is more a semantic reason than an "origin". It is not > omnipotent. Its perfection makes it unable to cope with many things, > including matter. There is a trade-of between knowledge and ability to > change/move. God can oscillate between knowing all things, but then unable > to change anything, or forgetting and then being able to change and move. > Well, though you can refer to it with whatever word seems appropriate to you, however I would suggest that you do not use of the term Allah, as the concept of the term is a perfect, perfectly-able, perfectly and constantly all-aware, all-seeing, all-hearing, perfectly-commanding and perfectly-governing being, in control of everything and not sharing its sovereignty or command with anyone. Allah alone is worthy of worship, and all else is creation, and even the mightiest / loftiest of creation submits humbly to Allah. Use of the word Allah for a concept less-powerful may not be a good idea. Samiya > > But it is a very complex subject, and I am extrapolating probably too > much. You might read the book by Brian Hines "Return to the One" > (subtitled "Plotinus' guide To God-Realization"). It is not a scholar, but > it fits rather well with the machine's talk, but to verify this we need to > climb that Mountain, and if I remember well we are still learning lacing > the shoes .... > > About this, can you tell me if you have a idea of what a set is? And what > a subset is? How many subsets has the set {0, 1}? > > I hope you indulge my math teaching vocation ... For the greeks, > mathematics is the preliminary study of theology. > > Bruno > > > > > Samiya > > > Bruno > > > > > Samiya > > On 27-Feb-2015, at 4:23 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2015, at 21:52, meekerdb wrote: > > On 2/26/2015 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Fro the greek, the existence of God is a quasi-triviality, because God, by > definition, is the reality that we search. Then the real question is what > is the nature of God? A person? A physical thing? A mathematical thing? A > first principle, etc. > > > The Greeks had many concepts of the basis of reality which were not > assumed to be gods, i.e. persons. Anaximander called it "aperion". From > Wikipedia: > > "Greek philosophy entered a high level of abstraction, adopting apeiron as > the origin of all things, because it is completely indefinite. This is a > further transition from the previous existing mythical way of thought to > the new rational way of thought which is the main characteristic of the > archaic period (8th-6th century BC)." > > So I reiterate my objection that using "God" is not only obfuscating your > avowed meaning it is also wrong to say it's what the Greeks meant by the > basis of reality. > > > > Yes, it is a key moment in the greek theology, where at the beginning, God > was considered as finite, and the infinite was confused with the > indefinite, and almost an insult. Later they make the infinite (apeiron) > into a possible attribute of the ONE, and reserve the indefinite ofr the > notion of bad, or matter. > > If you don't like the term "God" I will use "Allah". The main point about > God is that it has no name, so *any* name is wrong. I did not use God, > except in a reply which has lead us to that infinite useless vocabulary > discussion. God is just the most common quasi-name (pointer). > > I made clear what I meant, and the important point is the coming back to > the scientific attitude in theology, which is typically concerned with > soul, afterlife, (re)incarnation, origin of universe, transcendence, truth, > non-nameable, etc. It is the ONE of Parmenides and Plotinus, and it is not > distinguishable from arithmetical truth, in case we are machine. > > BTW, sometimes ago, you suggested here to promote my work to Templeton. > How is that going? > > Bruno > > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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