On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>> If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero)
>> or { } - the empty set?
>>
>
> I think he wants to mean the underlying basis of everything, not just a
> beginning, but a sustaining basis - and he doesn't believe in set theory or
> doesn't believe it is basis enough. As Kronecker said, "Die ganze Zahl
> schuf der liebe Gott, alles Übrige ist Menschenwerk."  At a gut level I
> think he wants to poke the eye of some atheists who rejected his thesis.
> Otherwise he could easily use "The One" or aperion or quintessence other
> theologically neutral terms.


Yes. His idea is timeless anyway, so it couldn't really be a temporal
beginning. Maybe it should be "Logic" (and he could throw in a homage to
Leonard Nimoy)

>
>> I am not sure what evidence there is for a creator, but even if there is
>> such evidence that doesn't answer the question at the top of the thread -
>> "Why is there something rather than nothing?" It just changes it to "Why is
>> there a creator?"
>>
>
> He thinks arithmetic is logically necessary and therefore whatever
> satisfies its existence predicate is what exists.
>

Yes. I have to admit I like this idea because it's the only thing I've ever
come across that actually works on this basis (being logically necessary).
Otherwise the universe is just a brute fact - which of course it may be.

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