On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:17:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken gates is still a > > > computation, just a rather simple one. Playing a movie in (eg) > > > SMPlayer is still running a computation. > > > > > > > And I have never understood how that doesn't void significance of 1p > views. > > If this is totally tight, correct, mechanistic 3p view, then you get > > corresponding complete absence of meaning on 1p level of person/machine's > > discourse. > > Happy April fool's to you! > > More seriously though, I haven't the foggiest what you mean. Even your > follow on prose doesn't help. > > Why would the fact that playing a recording is a computation void > significance of 1p views? > Because it weakens/relativizes the difference between counterfactual possibility instantiating computation and say the numbers/sequences/patterns of a movie on my phone. They're all amenable to numeric description yes, but isn't the difference the zombie vs. universal machine's 1p views and consciousness? You state "still running" implying that the stated difference, brittle vs. counterfactuals, makes little/no difference. With supervenience of consciousness as topic, I assumed you meant that to bear on this. On this you assert: > > What it does do is show that the MGA does not derive a logical > contradiction, as Quentin asserts, but is rather an intuition pump. > Which I find to be a large leap from there for above reason. > > Of course, I do suspect that an accurate (but not counterfactually > correct) recording of a single computational run is insufficient to > instantiate a conscious entity. Exactly. > But I don't know so as a proven fact, > and that, I feel, is a weakness in the MGA. > Perhaps you assume functionalism, mechanism and its zombie crew too strong on 3p level? I don't understand why we have to emphasize "yeah, but this still runs computation". PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
