2015-04-01 9:46 GMT+02:00 Russell Standish <[email protected]>: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 08:37:36AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:17:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken gates is still > a > > > > > computation, just a rather simple one. Playing a movie in (eg) > > > > > SMPlayer is still running a computation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I have never understood how that doesn't void significance of 1p > > > views. > > > > If this is totally tight, correct, mechanistic 3p view, then you get > > > > corresponding complete absence of meaning on 1p level of > person/machine's > > > > discourse. > > > > > > Happy April fool's to you! > > > > > > More seriously though, I haven't the foggiest what you mean. Even your > > > follow on prose doesn't help. > > > > > > > > Why would the fact that playing a recording is a computation void > > > significance of 1p views? > > > > > > > Because it weakens/relativizes the difference between counterfactual > > possibility instantiating computation and say the > > numbers/sequences/patterns of a movie on my phone. > > > > I really don't know what your push back is. The program consisting of > the nop instruction 1000 times in a row, followed by the halt > instruction is a perfectly valid program, and running it on a machine > is a perfectly valid computation, albeit a rather trivial one. > > There are no counterfactuals involved. The program will do the same > thing regardless of what the CPU registers contain > > Playing a recording is just a slightly more complex version of the > same thing. > > Well it's just a lookup table which for any steps will only ever output the same symbol for that step... that seems to defeat entirely the computationalist idea if such thing did support consciousness... that that lookup table is a valid implementation for that moment, I agree with, but the thing is that in computationalism, to counter that "consciousness" supervenes on that simple lookup table (only)... the claim is that consciousness supervene on *all* valid implementation of that moment (there are an infinity of them)...
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