On 6/22/2015 5:37 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
meekerdb wrote:
On 6/22/2015 2:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 6/22/2015 3:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

    I diverge from my previous self from moment to moment in ordinary
    life, but I still consider that I remain me. If I woke up
    tomorrow taller because I had a growth spurt during the night I
    would still consider that I was me; yet by the "closest
    continuer" theory, I would stop being me if a copy that hadn't
    grown was made somewhere else.

    I think waking up somewhere else would count strongly against
    being the closest continuation.

What if, while both are asleep, the original is moved to another location and the copy moved to the original's bed?

That would help, but there's an implicit assumption that asleep=mindless. Anesthetic would make a better example. But won't both the original and the copy find himself in a disjoint location incompatible with where he was before?

I think part of the problem here is that the first-person impression is taken to be definitive. Since the closest continuer theory weights bodily continuity fairly highly in the metric whereby 'closest' is to be determined, what happens to your body, whether or not you are conscious of it, is an important consideration.

It was my understanding that closest continuer was to be judged entirely in terms of conscious thoughts, e.g. memories. Of course these include memories of ones body so noticeable physical changes would count against, but discontinuity that was not noticeable wouldn't. Causal connection doesn't count because the idea is to explain everything, including causality in terms of consciousness. I'm not even sure the theory is coherent. I want to ask; continuer of what? It seems to intuitively rest on the idea a being or soul that *must* continue and so must attach to some best vehicle.

But maybe Stathis should explain what he means by the theory.

Brent


Similarly, physical causal connections weight significantly. Consequently, moving while asleep or anaesthetized are scarcely relevant to the personal identity issue.

Bruce


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