On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > If there is no indeterminacy, what is the bet in Helsinki? > That is a excellent question! It's never been clear what the bet back in Helsinki was, but it's your thought experiment not mine so you tell me. >> >> >> Which "*THE* first person >> " >> decides what the Helsinki man should have been told yesterday about >> what he was going to see today, the one in Washington or the one in Moscow? >> > > > > BOTH. You keep coming back on this question again!!!! > THE result that the H-man obtained in W is W. > THE result that the H-man obtained in M is M. > Great! We need never go over this again because at last you agree the H-man will see BOTH. > > And none of them were able to predict THE result that each of them got, > from they first person pov, on which the question in Helsinki was all about. > I correctly predicted it and so did you. W will be seen by Mr. W's point of view, and M will be seen by Mr. M's point of view. Mr. H also predicted it but neither Mr. W nor Mr. M did, they couldn't have done so or done anything else for that matter because at the time neither of them existed. Everything about this is predictable. I don't think we're going to get anywhere until you answer the question I asked in my last post, I repeat it now and look forward to your answer: *Are the following 2 questions equivalent?* 1) What will I see tomorrow? 2) Tomorrow what will the person who remembers being me right now see? If you think the questions are equivalent and if tomorrow 2 people remember being you today then it would be ridiculous to expect only one answer is correct just as it would be silly to expect that the equation X^2 =4 only has one solution. If you think they are not equivalent then please explain what the word "I" in the question means extrapolated into the future. >> >> I don't know what else you want me to say. >> >> I don't know what you want me to predict that I haven't already >> predicted. > > > > > ? > What did you predict? > I predicted that Mr.W will see W and Mr.M will see M and both will remember asking the question "what will I see?".You predicted the same thing and it turned out we were 100% correct. Exactly what have we failed to predict? > >> >> Nobody can predict it because knows what it is they're being asked to >> predict. Nobody knows what "it" is. > > > > > ? > > "it" refer to the city the candidate can expect to feel herself in after > pushing the button. > The above beautifully illustrates why "it" is gibberish. "It" is a demand of the name of *THE* one city that *THE *one candidate will see after *THE* one candidate is no longer one candidate and becomes *TWO* candidates in *TWO *cities. And you claim that from the failure to predict "it" all sorts of profound philosophical consequences can be derived. It's amazing that grown adults are spending so much time on something so incredibly dumb. > > Move to step 5, now. > Are you kidding? You can't even defend the first 3 steps! John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
