*I wrote the following a few days ago but didn't send it because I intended to say more, but other things came up that seemed more important so this will just have to do.*
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > when in still in Helsinki, can be sure that his first person experience > will be of being in once city, > Mr. His may have been absolutely sure but Mr. His was also absolutely incorrect, that tends to happen a lot. If Mr. His had been correct then after the duplication all the people who remember being Mr. His would be in only one city but clearly they are in two. > > > and that he cannot prdict which one. > Which one? When the prediction was made there was only one. Please explain exactly what that means, hell even approximately what it means would be a vast improvement. > > > "he" will very well know where "he" feel to be after pushing the button. > After? Nobody can make a prediction AFTER pushing the button because then its not a predicting its just reporting. And AFTER the button is pushed there are 2 people who go by the name "he" which causes endless confusion, but that's not a bug its a feature if you want to hide fuzzy thinking. > > > the prediction is about his *future* first person experience. > So you tell me did "his" end up in, one or two? If it's one did it turn out to be Moscow or Washington? >> >> that one and only one city the H-man sees is Helsinki. > > > > > Not after pushing the button. > IRRELEVANT! The question MUST be asked BEFORE pushing the button. What exactly did the Helsinki Man fail to predict? > > > The first person experiences available are "feeling to be in Moscow" and > "feeling to be in Washington" > And after the button is pushed BOTH of those feelings will be felt by somebody who remembers how things were BEFORE the button was pushed. So If Mr. Beforethebuttonispushed said "What one and only one city will I, Mr. Beforethebuttonispushed see after the button is pushed?" is that a question or is that gibberish? If it's a real question then it must have an answer even if that answer can't be predicted, so you tell me, does it have an answer, one and only one answer? > >> >> >> and only one of them can occur for any of its future first person >> experience. > > > > > You just continue to ignore that the question is on a future first-person > experience. > There are 2 first-person experience s and the Helsinki man correctly predicted who would see what. And n obody and nothing can predict the thing that caused the m to come into existence because the first requirement in being a good predictor is existing. Seeing Washington cause the Washington Man to exist and seeing Moscow caused the Moscow to exist. > > > There is no ambiguity, > Then name the one and only one city it turned out to be! John K Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
