On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
I predict the one and only one thing I will see tomorrow after I become >> two is Santa Clause's workshop. > > > > > Of course, this is a joke. I hope. > I was dead serious . After I have been duplicated and become two there will be no proof that the one and only one thing that I saw was Santa Clause's workshop but there will be no proof that the one and only one thing that I saw was NOT Santa Clause's workshop either; and the same thing could be said for everything else in the universe. And don't start talking about interviewing the copies afterwards because they have nothing to do with it. The question was asking about the one and only one being that will result when one being becomes two, and neither the Moscow man nor the Washington man fits that description better than a elf in Santa Clause's workshop . That's the trouble with gibberish statements, nothing can ever confirm them and nothing can ever refute them. >> >> Why is what you expect to see tomorrow more important than what it turns >> out you actually see tomorrow? > > > > > Because it is the relation between those two things which is important, > Expectations that turn out to be correct are important and valuable, expectations that turn out to be incorrect are the opposite of that, and if a expectation turns out to be neither correct nor incorrect then you were expecting gibberish. > > > and not entirely obvious in a world with duplicating machine. Without > duplication, we can ascribe one's mind to the body, but with the > duplication, to evaluate what we can expect, such simple identity link is > no more available > Agreed. >> >> An even more important question is "What one and only one thing will >> "you" mean tomorrow if "you" is duplicated and "you" becomes two today?" > > > > It means "W-man or M-man" in Helsinki. > Or? It's hard enough to predict what somebody will see tomorrow, but if you can't even say who's future viewing you want a prediction of then how am I suposed to do it? I have a thought experiment of my own and this is the protocol: 1) I have *TWO* coins, a regular coin and a two headed coin. 2) I flip both coins. 3) Predict if *the one and only coin* will land heads or tails. You can't predict it because of coin indeterminacy. Is it too early to start writing my Nobel Prize acceptance speech? > > There is no paradox. It is trivial that with comp, > You've been talking about "comp" for years but I still don't know what that is so I have no opinion on the above. > > > I can accept something like "death, or Saint-Peter, or Santa Klaus" from > an opponent to Mechanism. If you believe Mechanism is false, you can in > some sense expect anything. > Any expectation can happen if you can't say who the expectation is about. > > But from a computationalist it is pure nonsense, not even laughable. > It makes no difference if computationalism is true or false, if there is no question there can be no answer. > > > Please, you said that everything is predictable, so I ask you to make that > statement more clear and precise by telling what is it that you write in > the personal diary in Helsinki about what you expect to live. > I've already told you that, after I have been duplicated and have become TWO the ONE and only ONE place I expect to be is Santa Clauses workshop, and that expectation will prove to be just as true as any other. > > > confused again the 1p view with the 3p view Have you considered setting your mantra to music? It might make a catchy song. > > > You attribute bad intention when there are none. You accuse me of that?! Regardless of how heated our exchanges have been I have never once questioned your sincerity or called you a troll, but either you or your toady Quentin have called me that nearly every day for years. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
