On 29 Sep 2017, at 20:39, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>> Congratulation on saying "a first person
viewpoint" not "the first person viewpoint"! I think the
word "expect" is unnecessary but in general I have no problem with
that question nor the answer, and it's all 100% predictable.
> Nice. So what is the prediction that you write in the diary
(in Helsinki)?
I predict the one and only one thing I will see tomorrow after I
become two is Santa Clause's workshop.
Of course, this is a joke. I hope.
> The question is what do you expect to live when going through
such experiment.
Why is what you expect to see tomorrow more important than what it
turns out you actually see tomorrow?
Because it is the relation between those two things which is
important, and not entirely obvious in a world with duplicating
machine. Without duplication, we can ascribe one's mind to the body,
but with the duplication, to evaluate what we can expect, such simple
identity link is no more available, and that plays a key role in all
what follows from there.
An even more important question is "What one and only one thing
will "you" mean tomorrow if "you" is duplicated and "you" becomes
two today?"
It means "W-man or M-man" in Helsinki. And its means its usual
indexical thing in both cities after.
>> But I still have a huge problem with "How any cities will I
see after I have been duplicated?".
> That is weird, as it is very easy.
Quit stalling! I didn't ask you to label the level of
difficulty of the question, I asked "How many
cities will I see after I have been duplicated?", Answer the
damn question.
Read the whole paragraph. It helps to know that it is easy.
> You seem to agree that there will be two copies, each one in
one city. So [blah blah blah]
More stalling! I want an integer and nothing else, you're a
mathematician you must know what a integer is.
> the H-guy, which has survived in both cities, can see only
one city
So let's see, the H-guy has survived in 2 cities
but the H-guy can only see one city
You did agree on this.
because 1+1=1.
There is no paradox. It is trivial that with comp, after the
duplication, all the copies feels to be unique in once place, with a
doppel at the other place.
> There is no paradox,
I agree, paradoxes are interesting and clever, gibberish is
neither.
Here are your "mistakes of the day".
1) When understanding, you ask what is the interest, without simply
moving at the next step to see why we do all this.
2) You misquote the comment, or quote them not entirely.
3) You attribute bad intention when there are none.
4) You confused again the 1p view with the 3p view.
5) You do joke to avoid the question asked (and thus I asked it again;
what do your write in the diary in Helsinki about what you, in
Helsinki, can expect to live). I can accept something like "death, or
Saint-Peter, or Santa Klaus" from an opponent to Mechanism. If you
believe Mechanism is false, you can in some sense expect anything. But
from a computationalist it is pure nonsense, not even laughable.
Please, you said that everything is predictable, so I ask you to make
that statement more clear and precise by telling what is it that you
write in the personal diary in Helsinki about what you expect to live.
It is understood that the personal diary will be duplicated along with
you.
Bruno
John K Clark
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