If IGUS or ETI exist elsewhere, I would argue that probably there are
scaling limits to the powers such beings are able to control. The universe
has matter in it, but it has an average density of 10^{-29}g/cm^3, and the
overwhelming percentage of matter in dense configurations is in stars that
are hot and hard to access. Even tearing up planets for materials is hard
and energy intensive. Interstellar gas by contrast if extremely diffuse. I
would argue there are simply scaling limits to the control or abilities of
intelligent beings.
LC
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Lawrence Crowell <
> goldenfield...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
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>> * Most likely they evolved like us with neuro-networks adapted from some
>> natural condition and eventually as they progress they find they can no
>> longer manage things.*
>>
>
> When things get complicated we can't add new brain hardware, but a
> Jupiter brain can. And besides, the entire galaxy isn't going to be managed
> from one central point.
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>> * > Their situation implodes. I suspect our situation will implode this
>> century.*
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> Perhaps civilizations always do destroy themselves, but if so I don't
> think it will be for the reason you suggest..
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>> > **
>> *As for von Neumann probes, these will over time evolve to form
>> potentially a sort of "galactic bacteria." They may simply not evolve in
>> most cases to engage in massive programs.*
>>
>
> Von Neumann probes
> didn't evolve they were designed and if they're designed to make copies
> of themselves so they can make large things, like Dyson spheres, then I
> can find no reason why they wouldn't.
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>> * > It may be more to their advantage to stay small and take advantage
>> of the sparse resources available by being conservative.*
>>
>
> What sparse resources
>
> ? There are plenty of atoms around stars and plenty of energy too, and
> that's all a Von Neumann probe
>
> needs
> .
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> John K Clark
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