On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Mar 2018, at 04:27, agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 1:29:38 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:25 PM, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> *> You and other skeptics should be demanding release of material from >>>> which Project Mogul balloons were made,* >>>> >>> >>> We already know what they were make of, surplus junk from a toy >>> company. >>> From: >>> >>> >>> http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/Roswell/USMogulReport.html >>> >>> " >>> *One of the most puzzling aspects of the reports that a "UFO" crashed >>> near Corona in 1947 were the later descriptions of "hieroglyphic-like" >>> characters by seemingly reliable, firsthand witnesses. Research has >>> revealed that the debris found on the ranch and displayed in General >>> Ramey's office probably did have strange characters. These, however, were >>> not hieroglyphics, but figures printed on the pinkish-purple tape used to >>> construct the radar targets used by the NYU group.* >>> >>> *The witnesses have recalled small pink/purple "flowers" that appeared >>> to be some sort of writing that couldn't be deciphered. These figures were >>> printed on tape that sealed the seams of the of the radar target. The radar >>> targets, sometimes called corner reflectors, had been manufactured during >>> or shortly after World War II, and due to shortages, the manufacturer, a >>> toy company, used whatever resources were available. This toy company used >>> plastic tape with pink/purple flowers and geometric designs in the >>> construction of its toys and, in a time of shortage, used it on the >>> government contract for the corner reflectors.* >>> >>> >>> *Allegations have also been made that the debris displayed to the press >>> on July 8 and subsequently photographed was not the original wreckage; >>> i.e., a switch had occurred sometime after the debris left Roswell >>> AAF. However, statements made by Moore and Trakowski attested that the >>> corner reflectors they launched during that period had the same flowers and >>> figures that were later reported by Marcel, Cavitt, and Brazel as being on >>> the debris found on the Foster ranch in Corona.* >>> >>> *In fact, Trakowski distinctly remembered the figures on the tape >>> because, when the targets first were produced, much fanfare was made over >>> the use of a toy manufacturer for production. He related that a fellow >>> USAAF officer, John E. Peterson, monitored the procurement of the targets >>> and "thought it was the biggest joke in the world that they had to go to a >>> toy manufacturer" to make the radar targets and an "even a bigger joke >>> when. the reflecting material on the balsa frames was some kind of a >>> pinkish purple tape with hearts and flowers"* >>> >>> >>> >>>> *> if for no other reason than to finally put the Roswell crash >>>> scenario to bed.* >>>> >>> >>> Crackpot conspiracy can never EVER be put to bed, they were not created >>> by logic so logic can not destroy them. >>> >> > > I agree with John. >
*But, as I have shown, at least for 911, there IS an underlying logic, and the gurus here cannot debunk it even though they have given ample opportunity. I CAN debunk one of the major facts from which the conspiracy is constructed, but they're simply not interested. AG* > > > >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> Conspiracy ideas have a strange life of their own. People to this day >> still entertain ideas about grassy knolls and inside jobs with the JFK >> assassination. 9/11 conspiracy ideas are not as present these days, but >> still alive and well. These things only diminish over time if they cease to >> be relevant to most people. It is related to the reason religions have a >> great longevity. >> > > *If you look deeper, you will see some of what underlies the 911 > conspiracy. CNN was videotaping when the second impact occurred, on Tower 1 > IIRC. The video clearly shows a flash of white light at the moment of > impact. Some people claim it's evidence of an incendiary device onboard, > and thus a conspiracy. How would you explain it? I can, without a > conspiracy. My point here is not to glibly dismiss conspirators as > crackpots. There are often rational thoughts and analysis underlying most > conspiracies. AG * > > > I agree with Grayson. It is just that there are fake and real > conspiracies. The conspiracy on Hemp was, and still is, a real conspiracy. > We have all the details on who, why, how, when, etc. Jack Herer’s book > remains the best introduction. > > For 9/11 I do not believe that 2 crash planes can lead to three > chef-d’oeuvre of control demolition, but when I am saying this, people > conclude that I claim it was an inside job. I don’t believe that either: it > was an outside job, but well planned in advance, and I guess some Americans > could have helped, but it could be saurians also. The Gist reports admit > not having done an inquest on possible accomplices on the ground. They, > there is no conspiracy, but hard to believe something is not recovered. > > > > > > The argument over Sagan is interesting. I was at a meeting where he >> attended, though I had no close contact with him. I don't think he gave >> much quarter to the idea of UFOs and space aliens. He even said they >> appeared to be an aspect of inner space or the mind rather than outer >> space. >> > > *I've sometimes entertained the idea that Sagan strongly disbelieved in > alien visitations primarily because he was never personally contacted. > Surely if they were in contact with humans, wouldn't he be the first to be > contacted? AG * > > > > If von Neumann calculation of the probability of emerging life is correct > and thus infinitesimal, then, we are in a rare branch of the universal > wave, and the probability to meet Alien might be very small. But I have not > th expertise to really judge von Neumann argument, so, about alien, I am > rather agnostic. > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> LC >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
