On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:11:13 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 11:53 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com 
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> >>I guess its *possible* the man applying for a Ph.D was a zombie, but 
>>> you know you are not a zombie so if he is one then Charles Darwin was dead 
>>> wrong because there is no way random mutation and natural selection could 
>>> produce a zombie. And I don't think Charles Darwin was wrong.
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>> > He could have been, like @RealSophiaRobot 
>> <https://twitter.com/RealSophiaRobot>, manufactured.
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> If evolution found it easier to make a conscious intelligent being than a 
> non-conscious intelligent being why would human engineers find the exact 
> opposite to be true? 
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>  John K Clark
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That is a right question to ask.


As I have proposed, information processing alone will not lead to 
consciousness. Experience processing 
<https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/> must 
be the basis. 

So if one defines intelligence such that an entity can't be actually 
intelligent unless it is conscious, then all the AI work in the 
information-oriented paradigm today will never lead to actual intelligence.

- pt

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