On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some *being*, >> as some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real) is >> a more certain thing. >> >> >> Intelligence is something observable, as here: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04 >> >> You seem to take it as fairly certain that we can make intelligent >> machines; which you think will not be conscious. That implies that there >> is nothing observable about consciousness. So how can it be a "more >> certain thing"? >> >> Brent >> > > > > Consciousness the the one thing we observe that we are sure of existing. > > > I can be sure that *I* am conscious. But that along doesn't imply > anything about matter or other people being conscious. Observing their > intelligent behavior however does. > > Brent > > I am sure I am conscious, and knowing (pretty much knowing) someone I'm talking to is made of *the same kind of molecules* as I am (basically biological material like me), I think they are conscious too.
But if I were talking to Sophia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot) ] ("the first non-human to be given any United Nations title") some years from now after years of more development, and knowing what her molecular makeup was, I would probably not think so, no matter how impressively chatty she was. - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
