On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:19:35 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 9:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some *being*, >>> as some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real) is >>> a more certain thing. >>> >>> >>> Intelligence is something observable, as here: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04 >>> >>> You seem to take it as fairly certain that we can make intelligent >>> machines; which you think will not be conscious. That implies that there >>> is nothing observable about consciousness. So how can it be a "more >>> certain thing"? >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> >> >> Consciousness the the one thing we observe that we are sure of existing. >> >> >> I can be sure that *I* am conscious. But that along doesn't imply >> anything about matter or other people being conscious. Observing their >> intelligent behavior however does. >> >> Brent >> >> > I am sure I am conscious, and knowing (pretty much knowing) someone I'm > talking to is made of *the same kind of molecules* as I am (basically > biological material like me), I think they are conscious too. > > > I've heard that some talk to dead people. > > Brent >
If I start seeing red door knobs, then I'll worry ... https://screenmuse.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/colour-symbolism-red-in-the-sixth-sense/ - pt > > > But if I were talking to Sophia [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot) ] ("the first non-human to > be given any United Nations title") some years from now after years of more > development, and knowing what her molecular makeup was, I would probably > not think so, no matter how impressively chatty she was. > > - pt > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
