On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some *being*, 
> as some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real)  is 
> a more certain thing. 
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> Intelligence is something observable, as here:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
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> You seem to take it as fairly certain that we can make intelligent 
> machines; which you think will not be conscious.  That implies that there 
> is nothing observable about consciousness.  So how can it be a "more 
> certain thing"?
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> Brent
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Consciousness the the one thing we observe that we are sure of existing. 

(something Philip Goff has said)

- pt

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