On 10/16/2018 9:55 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 5:43:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 10/16/2018 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or
some /being/, as some might prefer) to be conscious (for
those who think it is real) is a more certain thing.
Intelligence is something observable, as here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04>
You seem to take it as fairly certain that we can make
intelligent machines; which you think will not be conscious.
That implies that there is nothing observable about
consciousness. So how can it be a "more certain thing"?
Brent
Consciousness the the one thing we observe that we are sure of
existing.
I can be sure that /*I*/ am conscious. But that along doesn't
imply anything about matter or other people being conscious.
Observing their intelligent behavior however does.
Brent
I am sure I am conscious, and knowing (pretty much knowing) someone
I'm talking to is made of *the same kind of molecules* as I am
(basically biological material like me), I think they are conscious too.
I've heard that some talk to dead people.
Brent
But if I were talking to Sophia
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot) ] ("the first non-human
to be given any United Nations title") some years from now after years
of more development, and knowing what her molecular makeup was, I
would probably not think so, no matter how impressively chatty she was.
- pt
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