On 12/11/2018 12:31 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote:
No one is refuting the existence of matter, only the idea that
matter is primary. That is, that matter is not derivative from
something more fundamental.
Jason
I can understand an (immaterial) computationalism (e.g. *The universal
numbers. From Biology to Physics.* Marchal B
[ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26140993 ]) as providing a
purely informational basis for (thinking of) matter and consciousness,
but then why would *actual matter* need to come into existence at all?
Actual matter itself would seem to be superfluous.
If actual matter is not needed for experientiality (consciousness),
and actual matter does no exist at all, then we live in a type of
simulation of pure numericality. There would be no reason for actual
matter to come into existence.
If it feels like matter and it looks like matter and obeys the equations
of matter how is it not "actual" matter? Bruno's idea is that
consciousness of matter and it's effects are all we can know about
matter. So if the "simulation" that is simulating us, also simulates
those conscious thoughts about matter then that's a "actual" as anything
gets. Remember Bruno is a theologian so all this "simulation" is in the
mind of God=arithmetic; and arithmetic/God is the ur-stuff.
Brent
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