On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:29 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 12/11/2018 12:31 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> No one is refuting the existence of matter, only the idea that matter is >> primary. That is, that matter is not derivative from something more >> fundamental. >> >> Jason >> > > > I can understand an (immaterial) computationalism (e.g. *The universal > numbers. From Biology to Physics.* Marchal B [ > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26140993 ]) as providing a purely > informational basis for (thinking of) matter and consciousness, but then > why would *actual matter* need to come into existence at all? Actual > matter itself would seem to be superfluous. > > If actual matter is not needed for experientiality (consciousness), and > actual matter does no exist at all, then we live in a type of simulation of > pure numericality. There would be no reason for actual matter to come into > existence. > > > If it feels like matter and it looks like matter and obeys the equations > of matter how is it not "actual" matter? Bruno's idea is that > consciousness of matter and it's effects are all we can know about matter. > So if the "simulation" that is simulating us, also simulates those > conscious thoughts about matter then that's a "actual" as anything gets. > Remember Bruno is a theologian so all this "simulation" is in the mind of > God=arithmetic; and arithmetic/God is the ur-stuff. > It's not just Bruno who reached this conclusion. from Markus Muller's paper: In particular, her observations do not fundamentally supervene on this > “physical universe”; it is merely a useful tool to predict her future > observations. Nonetheless, this universe will seem perfectly real to her, > since its state is strongly correlated with her experiences. If the measure > µ that is computed within her computational universe assigns probability > close to one to the experience of hitting her head against a brick, then > the corresponding experience of pain will probably render all abstract > insights into the non-fundamental nature of that brick irrelevant. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
