On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:00 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 5/16/2019 5:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > This is what I call one form of *consciousness denial* > > https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ > > in that information processing absent actual *first-class* entities of > qualia (or experiences) can only produce zombies. One needs information > processing operating in a *material substrate* where those entities are > available to be combined and manipulated. > > > You still need to explain why your elbow isn't conscious. > Before that we need to demonstrate that the elbow isn't consciousness. E.g., it can exhibit reflexes to simuli without involving the brain. Jason > > Brent > > > @philipthrift > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 7:05:53 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> The question is why does it supervene on the brain and not on the elbow. >> What about the brain causes it to "make experiences"? Most scientists >> think it is because the brain does computations, i.e. information >> processing, which is more extensive and complex that the elbow does. Which >> leads to Bruno's argument that if it is the information processing that >> produces mind, then mind can be instantiated by any sufficiently complex >> computer+program. Since he believes in arithmetical realism, and since all >> possible computations exist implicitly in arithmetic, it follows that all >> possible thoughts already exist in arithmetic and we can explain reality as >> some particular subset of those thoughts. >> >> Brent >> >> >> On 5/16/2019 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:55:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> mind supervenes on the brain >>> Bruce >>> >> >> >> The heart* pumps blood. >> The brain pumps experiences. >> >> The brain is an experience pump! >> >> * Actually it's more complex: blood cells are made in bone marrow >> signaled by the kidneys and recycled by the spleen. Do it's >> kidneys+marrow+spleen+heart that make and pump blood. The brain makes and >> pumps experiences. >> >> @philipthrift >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f7ff9f1-a20f-4bc3-baee-a9f01dfb1a62%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f7ff9f1-a20f-4bc3-baee-a9f01dfb1a62%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9e0808a5-ea3c-2de0-defd-381fe843afa1%40verizon.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9e0808a5-ea3c-2de0-defd-381fe843afa1%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjxKVJuJnEaq27MXooHt3conDuuvo3cZ0jdkJathL9hWg%40mail.gmail.com.
