On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 13:02, Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <javascript:>> a écrit : > >> >> >> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 5:50:11 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 12:18, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> You insist that nobody has been able to produce a computer without >>>>> using matter. I agree. What you refuse to consider is the possibility >>>>> that >>>>> matter is the dream of computations, and not the other way around. >>>>> Whatever >>>>> we are, it seems clear that we are bound to perceive reality as made of >>>>> matter, but it doesn't follow that matter is the ultimate reality. This >>>>> is >>>>> just Plato's Cave with modern language. >>>>> >>>>> Telmo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've been perplexed for 50 years how the idea of immaterialism (that >>>> there is something other than matter) came to be. >>>> >>>> The so-called abstractions - like the definition of the Turing machine >>>> you read in a textbook - are just fictions. But fictions can be useful. >>>> Maybe there should be a better word for useful fictions. Math is as good >>>> as >>>> any, for part of that anyway. >>>> >>>> The old guys, Thales, Democritus, Epicurus, were curious about matter. >>>> Where did this bizarre trend towards immaterialism come from? >>>> >>> >>> How is trend to believe there is only matter (what is it ?) came to be ? >>> How is the believe in *only matter* not bizarre ? It is as bizarre as >>> anything reality is... I don't see materialism as less bizarre than >>> anything about the nature of reality... as if we knew what reality was... >>> It seems to me it's the people who believe there are some beliefs about >>> reality which are *not* bizarre that are bizarre. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>>> >>>> *The original sin of philosophy occurred when mathematical and mental >>>> (and computational) entities were abstracted away from their material >>>> home.* >>>> >>>> @pphilipthrift >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> I just don't believe in anything immaterial, or supernatural - like God, >> or ghosts. It is a fact a lot of people do. Some just are prone to believe >> in the immaterial/supernatural: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimaterialism >> > > I understand, but *how* your beliefs are *not* bizarre ? Do you know what > reality is ? > > > >> >> >>
Well matter is bizarre enough on its own. Read the latest science news on new discoveries in *materials science.* I don't see why you would want to add ghosts into the mix. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9e16794e-ca77-4954-a2b6-80bcd88148e6%40googlegroups.com.
