> On 31 Jul 2019, at 09:25, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If it isn't stuff (at the bottom of it), it it isn't real. > > Otherwise, it is idealism, which physics (as today's "popular" physicists > present it to the public) has become today. > > In philosophy, idealism is the group of metaphysical philosophies that assert > that reality, or reality as humans can know it, is fundamentally mental, > mentally constructed, or otherwise immaterial.
In a first approximation, this can help. But, at some point, it might be handy to distinguish between - human idealism (what you describe by “ that assert that reality, or reality as humans can know it, is fundamentally mental, mentally constructed”) -universal idealism (the same with “human” replace by digital machine or (intensional) number (I will lake this notion clear in the glossary that I have promised). - immaterialism (the belief in a Turing universal system and in no more than that for the ontology). The last case is more a neutral monism than an idealism, as the ideas are not really primitive, they occur in the mind of numbers, which are taken as the “independent ontology” that we assume. Metter is not “just” an idea in the mind of some numbers: it is a phenomenological reality that *all* universal number encounter. The physical reality is a deep invariant sharable by all machine/number, and which has for them also a non sharable part (the qualia, the immediate consciousness, …). Bruno > > @philipthrift > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 3:09:51 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > There may not be any stuff that is quantum. The paper looks to be a further > extension of weak measurements devised by Aharonov. > > LC > > On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 2:18:02 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But this is interesting: > > [ via > http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-forgotten-solution-superdeterminism.html > > <http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-forgotten-solution-superdeterminism.html> > ] > > > > The Weak Reality That Makes Quantum Phenomena More Natural: Novel Insights > and Experiments > Yakir Aharonov, Eliahu Cohen, Mordecai Waegell, and Avshalom C. Elitzur > November 7, 2018 > https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/20/11/854/htm > <https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/20/11/854/htm> > > Abstract: While quantum reality can be probed through measurements, the > Two-State Vector Formalism (TSVF) reveals a subtler reality prevailing > between measurements. Under special pre- and post-selections, odd physical > values emerge. This unusual picture calls for a deeper study. Instead of the > common, wave-based picture of quantum mechanics, we suggest a new, > particle-based perspective: Each particle possesses a definite location > throughout its evolution, while some of its physical variables (characterized > by deterministic operators, some of which obey nonlocal equations of motion) > are carried by “mirage particles” accounting for its unique behavior. Within > the time interval between pre- and post-selection, the particle gives rise to > a horde of such mirage particles, of which some can be negative. What appears > to be “no-particle”, known to give rise to interaction-free measurement, is > in fact a self-canceling pair of positive and negative mirage particles, > which can be momentarily split and cancel out again. Feasible experiments can > give empirical evidence for these fleeting phenomena. In this respect, the > Heisenberg ontology is shown to be conceptually advantageous compared to the > Schrödinger picture. We review several recent advances, discuss their > foundational significance and point out possible directions for future > research. > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9665b478-7389-41f8-9f5d-01c4f68e5aff%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9665b478-7389-41f8-9f5d-01c4f68e5aff%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FA8E8EA7-399D-4E1D-A9CA-C90343E8ABB5%40ulb.ac.be.
