On 1/27/2020 10:42 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
The bottom line for why*IIT fails*:
If there are no experiences (experiential units, constituents,
whatever) - wherever they may be in nature, assumedly in brains - to
process, there is nothing to be integrated in the first place.
No, it fails because it doesn't agree with the common sense assessment
of what is conscious and what is not. From Scott's blog:
/For we can easily interpret IIT as trying to do something more “modest”
than solve the Hard Problem, although still staggeringly audacious.
Namely, we can say that IIT “merely” aims to tell us which physical
systems are associated with consciousness and which aren’t, purely in
terms of the systems’ physical organization. The test of such a theory
is whether it can produce results agreeing with “commonsense intuition”:
for example, whether it can affirm, from first principles, that (most)
humans are conscious; that dogs and horses are also conscious but less
so; that rocks, livers, bacteria colonies, and existing digital
computers are not conscious (or are hardly conscious); and that a room
full of people has no “mega-consciousness” over and above the
consciousnesses of the individuals./
Brent
@philipthrift
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote:
It seems that
https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottaaronson.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D1799&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFkrIgncRPq5YjsNnBBL1uJbVLygQ>
(written 6 years ago)
and
https://philpapers.org/rec/MRCICI <https://philpapers.org/rec/MRCICI>
(2019)
are in agreement in terms of their*information processing* criticism.
@philipthrift
On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:49:54 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:18 PM Philip Thrift
<[email protected]> wrote:
What is Scott Aaronson's counterexample to IIT?
A simple search on Aaronson's blog gives many hits. Perhaps
the most relevant is:
https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottaaronson.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D1799&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFkrIgncRPq5YjsNnBBL1uJbVLygQ>
Is he in agreement with Mørch?
No.
Bruce
@philipthrift
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