On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:31 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Maybe. But the failure I wrote of applies if consciousness occurs only in > brains (or even in just human brains) and IIT only applies to that. Unless > IIT is modified as Mørch proposes, but then IIT would not be the same IIT > that Aaronson is writing about 6 years ago. > I don't think simple modifications to IIT to make it no longer IIT is going to allow it to escape from Aronson's critique. Besides, there is no "hard problem" of consciousness...... Bruce > > @philipthrift > > > On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 1:35:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1/27/2020 10:42 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> The bottom line for why* IIT fails*: >> >> If there are no experiences (experiential units, constituents, whatever) >> - wherever they may be in nature, assumedly in brains - to process, there >> is nothing to be integrated in the first place. >> >> >> >> No, it fails because it doesn't agree with the common sense assessment of >> what is conscious and what is not. From Scott's blog: >> >> *For we can easily interpret IIT as trying to do something more “modest” >> than solve the Hard Problem, although still staggeringly audacious. >> Namely, we can say that IIT “merely” aims to tell us which physical systems >> are associated with consciousness and which aren’t, purely in terms of the >> systems’ physical organization. The test of such a theory is whether it >> can produce results agreeing with “commonsense intuition”: for example, >> whether it can affirm, from first principles, that (most) humans are >> conscious; that dogs and horses are also conscious but less so; that rocks, >> livers, bacteria colonies, and existing digital computers are not conscious >> (or are hardly conscious); and that a room full of people has no >> “mega-consciousness” over and above the consciousnesses of the individuals.* >> >> Brent >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTPi7wFumVnb9oFFc_ZOBpQ7dwapm6cNTPv3pzAVqinbg%40mail.gmail.com.
