Maybe. But the failure I wrote of applies if consciousness occurs only in
brains (or even in just human brains) and IIT only applies to that. Unless
IIT is modified as Mørch proposes, but then IIT would not be the same IIT
that Aaronson is writing about 6 years ago.
@philipthrift
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 1:35:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
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> On 1/27/2020 10:42 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>
> The bottom line for why* IIT fails*:
>
> If there are no experiences (experiential units, constituents, whatever) -
> wherever they may be in nature, assumedly in brains - to process, there is
> nothing to be integrated in the first place.
>
>
>
> No, it fails because it doesn't agree with the common sense assessment of
> what is conscious and what is not. From Scott's blog:
>
> *For we can easily interpret IIT as trying to do something more “modest”
> than solve the Hard Problem, although still staggeringly audacious.
> Namely, we can say that IIT “merely” aims to tell us which physical systems
> are associated with consciousness and which aren’t, purely in terms of the
> systems’ physical organization. The test of such a theory is whether it
> can produce results agreeing with “commonsense intuition”: for example,
> whether it can affirm, from first principles, that (most) humans are
> conscious; that dogs and horses are also conscious but less so; that rocks,
> livers, bacteria colonies, and existing digital computers are not conscious
> (or are hardly conscious); and that a room full of people has no
> “mega-consciousness” over and above the consciousnesses of the individuals.*
>
> Brent
>
> @philipthrift
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>> It seems that
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>> https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799
>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottaaronson.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D1799&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFkrIgncRPq5YjsNnBBL1uJbVLygQ>
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>> (written 6 years ago)
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>> and
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>> https://philpapers.org/rec/MRCICI
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>> (2019)
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>> are in agreement in terms of their* information processing* criticism.
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>> @philipthrift
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