I completely disagree with your analys simply because TM isn't necessary repetition at all.
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the guy > >> MMY was > >> > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the > >> details of that > >> > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip to > >> India > >> > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the > >> Westerners. So > >> > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began > >> experimenting on > >> > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this account > >> from one of > >> > them). > This seems to be mere speculation without argumentative basis. It is the > same way typically mystifying circumstances as you are claiming them instead > of as "to have been the cause of Maharishi's decision". > > The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the > Samyama-principle: Dharana ("fixing"), dhyana ("gliding") and samadhi > ("landing"). These three parameters (always) form the natural movement of > the mind. The result is "concentrating" (ekagrata parinama). In TM you start > with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on dharana. > Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the siddhis the > fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on dhyana > ("coming back to the simplest form of awareness" -= siddhi- instruction). By > this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation = > manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind. > The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came > >> out when > >> > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in > > the > >> UK in > >> > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you can > >> get one of > >> > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon > > after > >> the > >> > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It was > >> still > >> > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded the > >> research. > Yes you think but you don't know it. And anyhow it would not have made any > difference: In Science either theory precedes experience or vice versa. This > is nothing unusual. Important is that later on theory and practice or the > other way round have to match this or that way. > >> > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was bandied > >> about > >> > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent > > countless > >> hours > >> > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was > >> foisted on him > >> > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots. > Was there any harm in it ? > He > > was > >> tickled > >> > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get > > 10% > >> of the > >> > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't think > >> this > >> > particular point has much to do with the failure of the movement. > For sure he was looking for some more efficient formula. But this was just > for principle reasons and has nothing to do with how many people were meant > to be practicing TM. > > The failure of the movement is by the way its present success. 99% of the > TM-Teachers all over the world have been leaving the movement. Many of them > are still teaching. That is, what Maharishi wanted. Because it secured that > the secret agents in the movement have no access anymore to destroy the > movement. Their assumed success of having been destroying now had become a > success for Maharishi to have made so many minds become independent, not > anymore bound to the master. This is the lesson of freedom Maharishi taught > to us. He is always one step ahead. > > The ideal of 10,000 or so at one place can grow now from the very grass root > level. Once it has been established from there it will never be destroyable > anymore. Maharishi 1979 in Seelisberg: "I have to play a global game, which > you may not understand, but which will prevent the movement from ultimate > destruction. I have to keep the appearance of the movement ridiculous. Those > who are able to think from the heart will yet join and be with us." > > It is now up to us to organize and realize this ideal step by step. > > >> Although > >> > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable > > folks > >> who were > >> > beginning to take it seriously. > > What should these folks have been taking more serious than the siddhis and > scientific research on TM ? All this sounds a bit talkative from your end. > > In order to reach Kaivalya even the Karma Mimamsa Sutras and the Vedanta > Sutras have to be practiced according to the Samyama-Principle. Only under > these circumstances the Siddhis could unfold to full extent anyhow. > > >> > >> Thanks Rick, for the History lesson, I needed it. At any rate, it > >> really > >> supports my contention that MMY has rested the entire welfare of > > the > >> TMorg's success on these bogus studies!! > There were no bogus studies, there were only bogus interpretations (see > those watery wisdoms in the recent mail "Where is the truth ?", where > pseudo-yogies are typically misguiding people's minds, ending up in > confusion like "everything is truth"). > It's psuedo-science, it > >> hasn't been proven satisfactorily. Remember.."thru the window of > >> science". > There was nothing wrong in that statement. But science on TM got obviously > suppressed by CIA and other conspiraceous groups. Why the fourth state of > consciousness has not yet been part of general physiology so far ? > We might as well replace Guru Dev's picture with that of > >> the greatest scientest of our age, the great John Hagelin!! MMY's > >> biggest mistake was, is, and always will be, the Siddhi's program! > > The biggest mistake is that people are obviously not practicing this program > regularly, because it is time-consuming, and money does not rain from the > sky in order to allow a man to invest so much time in that daily. > > Viktor Schauberger from Austria similar like Tesslar had shown the way to > get out of dependence already in the Thirties (he was one of the fathers of > discovering the reality of "free energy"). > If we had his technologies as part of our homes meanwhile, we all would find > more time to excercise the siddhis regularly. > >> > > > > > > Unless you happen to find the Siddhis program of personal use, of > > course... > > I definitely find it of personal use. Don't critizize the master so much, > change and deepen your vision ! > > Hagen > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/